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#55851 by grinke (true gøøner) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-18 19:35:36 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55850 aurel92, "... relax... este Nasri ..." - aha asta ma bucura) e intr-o forma ft buna sezonu asta) imho cel mai bun jucator la noi) in centru cred eu se va ispravi cu roluld e playmaker) Arshavin sh Walcott/Rosicky pe flanc) sh in centru ori Chamakh cu/ori RvP.. sau RvP pe flanc hz.. depidne ce schema va alege Wenger, 4-4-2 ori 4-3-3(care poate fi sh 4-2-3-1)


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#55852 by Donici1989 (Never Let Me Go...) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-18 19:40:38 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
Asa am asteptat acest derbi, dar simbata voi fi la univer. ska


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#55853 by aurel92 (Gunner Till I Die) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-18 19:54:54 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55852 Donici1989, pentru derby se poate de lasat univeru cred eu :lol:


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#55854 by Donici1989 (Never Let Me Go...) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-18 20:01:09 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55853 aurel92, "... pentru derby se poate de lasat univeru cred eu ..." - da ne peste 1 luna sesiile si am de rekuperat lipsele deamu


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#55855 by marius55555 (Arsenaloholic) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 15:26:33 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
ESPN up their anti-Arsenal propaganda, but add a few more quotes (By Tony Attwood)
ESPN’s distaste for Arsenal was chronicled on Untold Arsenal last year when the station got the rights to show Everton v Arsenal.  They packed the studio and gantry with Everton supporters and then, as Arsenal sauntered to their 1-6 victory, spent much of the match showing pictures of long time Everton supporters and saying it was a shame that Everton hadn’t won for their sake.  In an era of biased commentary the match stands out as a landmark of lopsidedness.

But now they have gone much, much further with an article (link at the end) in which they supposedly look at the history of Arsenal and Tottenham.

They do the usual knocking by saying, for example, that Arsenal was the first “franchise” football club without bothering either to consider the definition of a “franchise” (was Bolton a franchise when it moved out of town) or the history other clubs that moved.  Indeed they didn’t have to look far: Millwall left north London, crossed the river and ended up in Bermondsey about three years before Arsenal moved.

Later, spSpeaking of the decision to enlarge the football league at the end of the first world war they say,

“Tradition dictated the bottom two clubs from the previous season – Chelsea and Tottenham – would be handed a reprieve, and that the top two clubs in the Second Division – Derby and Preston – would be promoted.”  I don’t agree that this is the case at all, and they present no evidence.  The fact is that ups and downs at the time of league expansion, and at the time of clubs moving out of the league and being replaced by others, was by chairman’s vote.  The league had only been expanded a couple of times before since the second division was invented, and so even if there was a tradition, it was a tradition built on two occurrences – not much of a tradition.

Looking at the detail of the relegation/promotion issue they say, “Certainly Chelsea were in a strong position, as the club had only fallen into the relegation zone in 1914-15 due to a notorious match-fixing scandal involving Manchester United and Liverpool. As events transpired, they retained their place without a vote being taken by the Football League at the crucial meeting because, as reports at the time stated, “the manner in which they lost their position before war interfered with the game is generally regarded as unsatisfactory.”

That’s interesting because that’s not a quote I have seen, but as with a lot of stuff in this piece, there is no source.

They continue…

“Based partially on their longer service in the Football League (Arsenal were the first southern side to join in 1893), Norris argued that the Gunners were more deserving of a place than Tottenham, let alone Barnsley and Wolves who had both finished above them in the final Second Division season before the war. Following Arsenal’s lead, Nottingham Forest, Birmingham and Hull all submitted their own applications, and with the promoted Derby and Preston ushered into the top flight, a seven-way tussle was underway for the final place in the expanded 22-team division.

“The Daily Express recorded the anticipation felt ahead of the meeting in Manchester on March 10, 1919: “London was never more intimately concerned with Football League deliberations than on this occasion… There is an understanding that Chelsea will be voted into the First Division, and when the present scheme was first mooted it was regarded as a matter of course that they would be accompanied by Tottenham Hotspur, but The Arsenal considered that they had a superior claim and issued an appeal to the clubs to vote for them in preference to the Spurs … there is a strong body of opinion that considers Tottenham Hotspur ought to remain in the First Division.

“It was almost certain that the place would go to a side from the capital – after all, an unnamed northern official told the Daily Mirror, “our boys like a visit to London once or twice a year … they get a show at the theatres and see something of the great city. The directors also enjoy a visit to the big smoke” – but momentum swung decisively in Arsenal’s favour when League chairman and Liverpool owner John McKenna, a close friend of Norris, urged clubs to vote in favour of the Gunners as they had joined the League some 15 years before Tottenham.”

It is unfortunate that the writer unlinks the two stories (match fixing by Liverpool and Arsenal’s promotion) at this point.  There were four places up for grabs in the First Division.  Two from the expansion, and two from the bottom two teams who would have been relegated had their been no expansion.

What Norris appears to have argued is that Tottenham deliberately supported the expansion of the league in 1919 so that their automatic relegation for having come bottom should be annulled.  This, it was argued, was as bad as the match fixing of Liverpool and Man U.  In effect, he said, there are six places up for grabs – the two new places from expansion, the two relegation slots and the two places for Liverpool and Man U who should be expelled or relegated for match fixing.

Since Arsenal had ended up 5th they were in the frame for one of those six spots.  But the League (and obviously Man U and Liverpool) did not want match fixing on the agenda, and this is where the argument took place.

In this analysis therefore, there was no argument about Arsenal or Tottenham – it was an argument about six places in the first division.  The Tottenham argument was that here was a club who had clearly come bottom in 1915, and who had helped develop the notion of expansion in 1919 in order to avoid their just due.

There’s another point that ESPN, following the official Tottenham line, ignore, and that is that Tottenham had previous – they had got promotion out of the Southern League after coming seventh, as we discussed a day or two back.  Quite how they did that, while the clubs above them did not get promotion, we don’t yet know.  But running that simple fact by the league chairmen would have further reduced any argument about rightfulness to nothing – everyone would have laughed at Tottenham’s audacity to ignore their own past when it suited.

Back to ESPN

“When the votes were counted, Arsenal had won the support of 18 clubs, Tottenham 8, Barnsley 5, Wolves 5, Forest 3, Birmingham 2 and Hull 1. Despite finishing fifth in the Second Division in the final season before the Football League was suspended, it was Arsenal who would occupy a place in the top flight, and not their neighbours Tottenham.”

Now that is interesting – Birmingham who had come sixth in division II were in the voting, and Hull who had come 7th were there too.  ESPN skate over this – but if Arsenal’s claim from coming 5th was so odd, what about these two?  Why were they there, taking up votes that might have been up for grabs from others?

ESPN concludes…

“Arsenal had completed one of the most brazen coups in the history of football, overseen by Norris and supported by McKenna, and resentment quickly grew as they enjoyed the trappings of top-flight football while Spurs were sent down a division.

“As the Daily Mirror reported: “The fact that Tottenham Hotspur, the cup winners of 1901, lose status is deplored by some but, on the other hand, Arsenal’s unswerving loyalty to the league over a long period of years fully merited recognition.”

Thank you Daily Mirror – and indeed that is a strong point.  Arsenal took professionalism south, and it was their work that ultimately unified north and south into one league.  But ESPN still make it sound as if Tottenham were singled out – rather than noting the fact that they had come bottom of the league in 1915.

By avoiding the two negatives about Tottenham’s case ESPN continue the ludicrous story that somehow these highly individual club chairmen would have just gone along with a bit of Arsenal/Liverpool persuasion.

But this is ludicrous.  How could Arsenal and Liverpool ever done such a thing?

Of course they didn’t.  The vote went for Arsenal because…

Liverpool and Man U were continuously anxious to avoid any debate about their match fixing activities, and so were lobbying on Arsenal’s behalf, for Arsenal in the first division would mean that Arsenal were not going to continue their protests.

Tottenham’s claim was laughed out of court because they themselves had fixed a promotion from the Southern League some years before.

Tottenham had been active since coming bottom in 1915 on expanding the league as a way of avoiding relegation.

Income from games was shared between home and away clubs, and Arsenal were getting ever bigger crowds in the second division.  The clubs in the first division wanted a share of the money.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/57322.html
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#55856 by samocostea Club de sah si dame (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 16:06:57 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
p*daraji de offside arata nna steaua pzdtz shi la ekranu shel mare pe spartak :annoyed:


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#55857 by okinkasashka (Fan Red Devils & J.Lorenzo) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 16:17:07 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55856 samocostea, "... p*daraji de offside arata nna steaua pzdtz shi la ekranu shel mare pe spartak ..." - ska ..da eu asha avem un nastroi sa ma uit la derbiul londonez :(

#55856 samocostea, la 5 cine arata?


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#55858 by ZinedineZidaneDisabled (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 16:32:39 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55856 samocostea, "... p*daraji de offside arata nna steaua pzdtz shi la ekranu shel mare pe spartak ..." - iaka loshare plea :slap:
la champions macar arata ?:mad:

#55857 okinkasashka, "... sa ma uit la derbiul londonez ..." - go la champions Nna :lol:
noua akolo ne merge :sarcastic:


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#55859 by samocostea Club de sah si dame (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 16:55:40 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55857 okinkasashka, "... la 5 cine arata? ..." - pe voi (( tu sluciania nr la champions nu shtii?

#55858 ZinedineZidane, "... go la champions Nna ..." - in p*la s nu arate iara formula1 sau tennis :D


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#55860 by ZinedineZidaneDisabled (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 16:57:12 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55859 samocostea, "... in p*la s nu arate iara formula1 sau tennis ..." - formula1 neam gata anu ista :sarcastic:
da tennis nui nish un turneu asha important amu :P

ple
dac nish ei narata eu nu rezist 2 meciuri la rind sa nui vad :lol:


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#55861 by samocostea Club de sah si dame (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 16:57:46 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55860 ZinedineZidane, "... dac nish ei narata eu nu rezist 2 meciuri la rind sa nui vad ..." - aiii tu vii paliubomu arata ei sau nu :D


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#55862 by ZinedineZidaneDisabled (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 16:58:45 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55861 samocostea, "... aiii tu vii paliubomu arata ei sau nu ..." - asta kum?:sarcastic:
pontu s vin dak nu arata?:lol:


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#55863 by samocostea Club de sah si dame (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 17:00:16 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55853 ZinedineZidane, "... pontu s vin dak nu arata ..." - hehe tu ai daljok + treb s pui k frantza o rupt :D


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#55864 by ZinedineZidaneDisabled (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 17:03:53 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55863 samocostea, "... hehe tu ai daljok + treb s pui k frantza o rupt ..." - kam so terminat banii :resent:


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#55865 by samocostea Club de sah si dame (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 17:04:31 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55864 ZinedineZidane, "... kam so terminat banii ..." - ne ipiot!


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#55866 by ZinedineZidaneDisabled (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 17:05:51 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55865 samocostea, "... ne ipiot! ..." - :sarcastic:


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#55867 by samocostea Club de sah si dame (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 17:06:17 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55857 ZinedineZidane, ai s speli blideli :D


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#55868 by ZinedineZidaneDisabled (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 17:07:13 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55867 samocostea, "... ai s speli blideli :D ..." - realina nam bani :sarcastic:


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#55869 by DiplomaTMuzician (Lord DiplomaT) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 17:09:29 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
opa :shifty:



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#55870 by Arsenal_FC (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 17:22:53 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55869 DiplomaT, da shi wei parca eshti papusha,va schimbati atita aviku! :D


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#55871 by DiplomaTMuzician (Lord DiplomaT) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 17:34:45 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55870 Arsenal_FC, "... da shi wei parca eshti papusha,va schimbati atita aviku! ..." - mai mult de 2-3 zile nuni mai place ava :lol:


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#55872 by okinkasashka (Fan Red Devils & J.Lorenzo) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 17:54:26 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55859 samocostea, "... tu sluciania nr la champions nu shtii? ..." - da unde se mai afla asta? shtiu de carlsberg ..da de champions nu ))

#55859 samocostea, "... pe voi ..." - good :nyam:


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#55873 by samocostea Club de sah si dame (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 18:08:27 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55872 okinkasashka, "... - da unde se mai afla asta? shtiu de carlsberg ..da de champions nu ) ..." - la Elat

#55872 okinkasashka, "... - good ..." - o zis poate :D ei precis nu shtiu :D o zis daca makar un kanal rus as arate ap bun da dac nu ap ............


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#55874 by okinkasashka (Fan Red Devils & J.Lorenzo) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 18:28:58 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55873 samocostea, "... o zis daca makar un kanal rus ..." - poh arata ..la digi


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#55875 by marius55555 (Arsenaloholic) (0 mesaje) at 2010-11-19 18:32:27 (773 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#55874 okinkasashka, "... poh arata ..la digi ..." - la Champions au numai pachet rusesc. Rossia2 va arata meciul, asa ca cred ca vor arata..

grinke.. tragi o fuga miine pina la ei sa intrebi de meci ? :look:

P.S. Acolo am vazut ca sunt 2 ecrane. Data trecuta arata Spartak la un ecran, iar Formula1 pe altul.. asha ca e nice.. cred ca vor arata meciul


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