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#57326 by moldovanokia (In Wilshere We Trust) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 16:57:45 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57324 dionisie28, "... Эвра: "Арсенал" - это тренировочный центр, а не претендент на трофеи" ..." - realino kumarit!


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#57327 by ESign (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 17:04:14 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57324 dionisie28, "... Эвра: "Арсенал" - это тренировочный центр, а не претендент на трофеи" ..." - я его не понемаю.

то он говорит Арсенал тренировочный центр .. то "Даже если мы и уступим ..." + у "Арсенала" хорошая команда, которая способна обыграть "Челси", нас и вообще кого угодно" --> противоречие!

по моему он очень даже боится нас !


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#57328 by marius55555 (Arsenaloholic) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 17:07:07 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57327 ESign, doar vb aiurea.. tin minte cum in an ne lua in ris ca suntem prea tineri sa jucam contra lor, apoi pe Sagna il critica.. nici o picatura de respect in omul asta


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#57329 by grinke (true gøøner) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 17:33:38 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57319 aurel92, el yi fenomenal sezonul asta)

#57322 Donici1989, "... http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal.com-best-website-of-the-year-2010 ..." - hell yeah!

#57324 dionisie28, "... and Arsenal London ™ Fans best forum))) ..." - :yes:

#57325 marius55555, "... da-l nafeg... intotdeauna inainte de derbyuri el ne comenteaza.. ..." - +1 jita plea



#57324 dionisie28, "... "Вот уже 5 лет они ничего не могут выиграть. А для того большого клуба, как "Арсенал", это кризис. Даже если мы и уступим и в понедельник, чего в конце концов они сумеют добиться? Ничего. Ни трофеев, ничего".
..." - go fuck yourself fuckin scum! asha-i de smelyi la interviuri... vedem noi pe teren :annoyed:

#57327 ESign, "... по моему он очень даже боится нас ! ..." - ага... и этим интервью он типа доказывают обратное, хочет казатся уверенным в себе) asshole...

#57328 marius55555, "... nici o picatura de respect in omul asta ..." - true
kr4, fuck him sh punct.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wellington-to-continue-progress-on-loan patzanu asta va rupe la noi peste vreo citziva ani )


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#57330 by marius55555 (Arsenaloholic) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 18:06:59 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
Imagine if it was Alex Ferguson being called a paedophile
As a medical diagnosis, paedophilia is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 and older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary).

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), paedophilia is a paraphilia in which a person has intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children and on which feelings they have either acted or which cause distress or interpersonal difficulty.

In common usage, a paedophile refers to a person with any sexual interest in children or the act of child sexual abuse, often termed “pedophilic behavior”.

Arsene Wenger is not a paedophile. But still, Alex Ferguson has had to come out this week and ask that Manchester United’s fans to refrain from calling him one.

Good on you, Fergie.  Whatever their differences, there is clearly a sufficient degree of respect between the Premier League’s elder statesman for the United manager to step in and defend his French counterpart.

What angered me, then, was reading this article from the usually excellent RepublikofMancunia blog.  Give it a read.  His main point of contention appears to be that he feels the ‘paedophile’ chants have been somehow equated with chants about the Munich air disaster.  He says:

“So, whilst I applaud our manager for speaking out in the press about our fans who sing these songs, as it is rare for a manager to criticise his own fans, I abhor the fact he tries to compare calling Wenger a paedophile with laughing at the deaths of 23 innocent people.”

My first problem is that there is an implicit evaluation as to the degree of offence caused.  I have to say, I don’t think it matters if referring to someone’s death in an unkind manner is more offensive than labelling a father and husband a paedophile or not.  Neither is acceptable.  It’s impossible to gauge the degree to which abuse hurts those it targets.

To try and create some sort of hierarchy of abuse is absurd and archaic, and I think the Republik of Mancunia have gone about it in a particularly cumbersome manner.  In the same article in which he expresses horror that the ‘paedophile’ and ‘Munich’ chants should be compared, he also draws parallels between the ‘paedophile’ chants with ones about homosexuality.  It doesn’t add up.  The only thing you can say with any confidence is that abusive chants belong to a prejudiced and hopefully bygone time.

I wish United fans would admit that.  Instead, they seem to be using the fact that they’re victims of Munich chanting to justify their own abusive behaviour.  The blog reads like the protests of a child, who upon being caught doing something naughty, points at their classmate and says “they did it too”, or “they did it first”, or as in this case, “they did it worse”.

The strangest thing of all is that Ferguson doesn’t explicitly refer to the Munich chants at all. There’s no direct comparison.  No attempt to say that one chant is ‘as bad’ as another.  In fact, he hasn’t said anything at all yet.  His programme notes are as yet unpublished.  In the meantime, all we have is this - a statement from a United spokesman:

“We have gone on the record several times about this disgusting chant. We don’t condone it and have appealed to fans several times in the past but to no avail. There are many chants that opposing fans find objectionable and this is certainly one to which all decent supporters should object.

We will take strong action against people who chant in that way. Season tickets will be revoked and we will remove people from the ground for it.”

That is what was riled the blogger in question.  Absurd, isn’t it?

Of course, nobody is whiter than white.  Doubtless at some point some clever United fan will appear over here to say that Arsenal fans hiss at Spurs fans to mimic the gas chambers.  It’s true, there are a small minority that do.  I’ve experienced it myself: leaving the tube station in Tottenham with a group of Spurs mates, I was subjected to the same disgusting behaviour.  It’s a disgraceful and sickening thing to do.  But when I looked in to the crowd, there were only a handful of perpetrators.  Sad, tired old men who were once hooligans just so they could feel that they belonged to something.  Most of them probably didn’t have tickets for the game.  Most of them probably don’t give a shit about the football.  Like the idiots who turned a peaceful student protest in to a riot in London yesterday, they’re a small minority determined to cause problems, purely for the sake of indulging their pathetic prejudices.

I’m not justifying it.  It’s appalling.  It has to be stamped out.  And thankfully, it is being eradicated.  Arsenal is a hugely multi-cultural club, with a diverse fanbase that is the envy of the Premier League.  The irony of calling it an ‘anti-semitic’ club won’t be lost on our thousands of Jewish supporters.  We have a special anonymous text service whereby supporters can alert stewards to any racist behaviour they feel is occurring at a game - and this was introduced at the behest of a group of fans.

Among Arsenal fans, as among any social group, there are idiots.  People who will sing distasteful songs, or impersonate aeroplanes.  As I’ve said, nobody is whiter than white.  But it is undoubtedly true to say it’s a minority.  It’s a problem that is coming under control.  Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of the Wenger chants.

Think back to Arsene Wenger’s sending off at Old Trafford last season. As he stood among the crowd having been banished to the stands, thousands of fans taunted him with “sit down you paedophile”. Most versions of this video have had ‘funny’ music applied , presumably to cover the shame of the chants. But here’s the footage:



Can anybody tell me, in good conscience, that that is the sound of “a minority”?

I thought not.

Throughout the abuse, Arsene has maintained a remarkably dignified silence.  When Alex Ferguson took a bit of stick from the crowd at the Emirates, he compiled a dossier underlining his concerns.  And nothing that occurred that day came close to what Wenger has been subjected to.

Imagine, for a moment, that the boot was on the other foot.  Imagine that is was Alex Ferguson’s name being tarnished by 70,000 Arsenal fans, being given a label around which there is more stigma than any other in modern society.  Can you imagine the uproar?  The disgust?  A real life British person, with feelings and everything, being treated in that way.

Of course, I’d hate to see that happen.  And if Arsenal fans were the perpetrators, I’d feel ashamed.  I’d never sing a Munich chant.  I’d never hiss at a Spurs fan.  And I’d never call Alex Ferguson a paedophile.  I can’t separate those out.  I can’t draw line between what is acceptable and what isn’t.  All I know is that all of those chants are wrong.

Arsene has shown, for over a decade now, that he’s strong enough to rise above it.  At Old Trafford, he stood among fans hurling abuse at him with a messianic poise.  He didn’t flinch.

His strength, however, is not a justification for the chants to continue.  And I’m sorry, but nor is the abuse United fans have suffered about Munich.  It’s time to be accountable for your actions.  And time to stop.
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  Great article !!!

#57329 grinke, "... patzanu asta va rupe la noi peste vreo citziva ani ) ..." -  +1


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#57331 by Arsenal_O (User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 18:11:34 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57330 marius55555, "... Alex Ferguson ..." - asshole

#57330 marius55555, "... Great article !!! ..." - +1
P.S. hello all


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#57332 by ESign (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 18:27:36 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57330 marius55555, "... Imagine if it was Alex Ferguson being called a paedophile ..." - nu chiar am inteles ..

in acel moment fanii MU cintau ca Wenger e paedophille?


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#57333 by IulicMD (User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 18:46:34 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
trebuie sa cistigam neaparat pe mu , sper ca baietii sa inteleaga importanta meciului si sa fie permanent concentrati ,...
ma bucura faptul ca ultimele goluri scapate de fabianski nu sint din greseala lui da a apararii ... va de veni un fanststic portar , daca va progresa in continuare cum a facut pin acum in 4-5 luni .. :bravo:


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#57334 by marius55555 (Arsenaloholic) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 18:54:38 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57332 ESign, "... in acel moment fanii MU cintau ca Wenger e paedophille? ..." -  care moment?  din video ?

Quote:

Patrice Evra has reminded us what a classless act he is ahead of the Man U- Arsenal game.



While other Man U players like Nani and Smalling were praising Arsenal, Evra has decided to blast Arsenal as a “training ground” and that no-one will remember us in ten years.



Well, everyone will remember you Mr. Evra. Everyone will remember how you were responsible for one of the biggest farces at any World Cup, leading a rebellion against your own coach while you were captain of your side.



This is your legacy, Mr Evra.



In 20 years time, no-one will ever remember the trophies you won. Your name is forever associated with France’s shameful World Cup and one of the worst act of indiscipline by a footballing nation ever to be played in our screens.



  :bravo:


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#57335 by ESign (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 19:07:54 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57334 marius55555, "... Quote: ..." - frumos spus ..

#57334 marius55555, "... care moment?  din video ? ..." - aha


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#57336 by marius55555 (Arsenaloholic) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 19:09:57 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57335 ESign, "... aha ..." - da, asa si strigau ca niste nebuni ... Oricum, faza cind Arsene a plecat in tribune mi-a placut la nebunie.. parca era Dumnezeu printre fanii diavolilor :D


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#57337 by IulicMD (User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 20:15:42 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
Венгер: "Аршавин - лучший распасовщик Премьер-лиги"

Менеджер "Арсенала" Арсен Венгер похвалил полузащитника команды Андрея Аршавина накануне важного поединка против "МЮ".

"Он допускает много ошибок? Игра Аршавина основана на риске. Он отдает очень острые передачи и неудивительно, что допускает ошибки. Он пробует снова - и у него получается. Болельщики слишком требовательны к нему. Андрей – лучший распасовщик премьер-лиги. Его игра меня не расстраивает", – приводит слова Венгера официальный сайт "Арсенала".

Напомним, что матч между "МЮ" и "Арсеналом" состоится в понедельник. "Пушкари" сейчас лидеры чемпионата Англии. Они на одно очко опережают "красных дьяволов", у которых матч в запасе.

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#57338 by Donici1989 (Never Let Me Go...) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 20:21:57 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
interesant ce componenta va avea echipa... personal as dori sa jucam cu un St curat, si cu un mijlocas in plus, poate chiar mijlocas defensiv... ca sa ajute defensiva in timp ce Song se va ridica in ofensiva.


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#57339 by IulicMD (User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 20:28:32 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57338 Donici1989, "... Song se va ridica in ofensiva. ..." - imi place ca face acest lucru , uneori e fosarte folositor in ofensiva , ... meciuel cu wh o dovedeste /.. bun dm


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#57340 by radu990 (Knight of TMD) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 20:36:57 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57338 Donici1989, "... interesant ce componenta va avea echipa... personal as dori sa jucam cu un St curat, si cu un mijlocas in plus, poate chiar mijlocas defensiv... ca sa ajute defensiva in timp ce Song se va ridica in ofensiva. ..." - pai song si e mijlocas defensiv,si e bun in defensiva.Sunt alti mijlocasi care sa ajute in ofensiva


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#57341 by IulicMD (User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 20:38:38 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57340 radu990, opa iaka si radu aishi ... daca nu gresesc ap si denilson poate juca ca defensiv ...


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#57342 by radu990 (Knight of TMD) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 20:44:07 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57341 IulicMD, "... opa iaka si radu aishi ... daca nu gresesc ap si denilson poate juca ca defensiv ... ..." - pe denilson nu treb de-l pus pe teren, avem mijlocasi buni destui. Poate juca song ca mijlocas defensiv, nasri si rosicky ca mijlocasi centrali si Arshavin cu Walcott pe flanguri.In locul lui Walcott poate intra si Van Persie,iar in atac Chamakh . Cam asa as dori eu


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#57343 by IulicMD (User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 20:47:14 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57342 radu990, "... Walcott poate intra si Van Persie ..." - +1 , cind va fi si fabik si verma sanatosi as vrea cam asa prim 11 : rvp| chamakh centru , walcott/ rvp rm , shavik lm , nsri , fabregas cm , song dm , clichy lb , sagna rb verma si koscielny cb , si caneshna ca fabianski gk


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#57344 by marius55555 (Arsenaloholic) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 20:49:01 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57342 radu990, "... nasri si rosicky ..." - Rosicky am observat ca e mai bun pe banda decit in centru... iar in centru Nasri+Wilshere (in caz ca Cesc nu va juca). RvP din start trebuie sa joace ! E mai rau cind il scoate in a 2-a repriza.


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#57345 by radu990 (Knight of TMD) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 20:49:35 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57343 IulicMD, "... rvp| chamakh centru , walcott/ rvp rm , shavik lm , nsri , fabregas cm , song dm , clichy lb , sagna rb verma si koscielny cb , si caneshna ca fabianski gk ..." - de aceeasi parere is si eu, e cel mai bun 11 dupa mine. Oricum nu trebuie sa uitam de rotatie :)

#57344 marius55555, "... Rosicky am observat ca e mai bun pe banda decit in centru... iar in centru Nasri+Wilshere ..." - hmm, Wilshere nu rau, insa am dubii in privinta lui, e inka tinar,treb cineva mai expirementat.


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#57346 by marius55555 (Arsenaloholic) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 22:14:41 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57345 radu990, "... hmm, Wilshere nu rau, insa am dubii in privinta lui, ..." - eu chiar deloc..  nu m'as teme daca va fi in primul 11..  Inca nu e la potentialul maxim,  dar are o evolutie stabila si poate juca la forta, un lucru ft necesar atunci cind joci cu United :)

Wenger hits back at Evra jibes
In a restrained rebuttal of Evra's comments, Wenger said he had little interest in trading verbal barbs with the Manchester United stalwart.

"He gave you some good stuff to make it all hot before the game," the Arsenal manager told reporters.

"We are guided by the way we want to play football and not by the statements of anybody who plays against us.

"Personally, I believe if you are a big player you always respect your opponent and that is what we try to do."

Asked if he believed whether Evra had been disrespectful, Wenger replied: "I leave that judgement to you. We do not want to go into any unneeded talking before a game like that.

"We want to focus on the way we want to play and ignore any provocation before a game.

"We are motivated by the desire to win the game and by the quality of the football we want to play."

Arsenal currently top the Premier League standings by one point, with Manchester United in second having played one game fewer.
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"Personally, I believe if you are a big player you always respect your opponent and that is what we try to do."  -  ft corect ! :)


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#57347 by mcalex89 (We got 20, u mad ??) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 22:18:18 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57326 moldovanokia, "... - realino kumarit! ..." -

#57329 grinke, "... jita plea ..." - pravda v glaza kolit , chiar daca nu e frumos ce a zis , dar are 100 % dreptate


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#57348 by Tagero (Arsenalised) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 22:21:52 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57347 mcalex89, "... pravda v glaza kolit , chiar daca nu e frumos ce a zis , dar are 100 % dreptate ..." - mlin iak insep s apara


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#57349 by ESign (Power User) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 22:23:22 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57347 mcalex89, "... pravda v glaza kolit , chiar daca nu e frumos ce a zis , dar are 100 % dreptate ..." - provocation :pardon:


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#57350 by marius55555 (Arsenaloholic) (0 mesaje) at 2010-12-10 22:24:58 (769 săptămâni în urmă) - [Link]Top
#57347 mcalex89, sper sa nu sa se primeasca ca anul trecut pe topicurile noastre :wink:


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